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Is this harassment? It sure does not make me comfortable.
Dec 30th, 2011 by Ann Tse

I am a grad student at a large state university serving in a relatively unimportant but public role within our engineering department that requires me to send emails several times a week to all of the other students in the department.

I try to be nice to the other engineering students in accordance with the desire for a professional working relationship and  polite departmental culture.

Yet – I get emails from other engineering grad students who I scarcely know, that are aggressive and generally inappropriate for a professional environment and relationship. See below for an example of such an exchange. I don’t think this qualifies as harassment, but it is definitely annoying. And I am still not sure how to respond!

It all started last May, when my name was sent in a departmental wide email after I won an award. I ran into this guy in the hallway and was briefly introduced – he took the initiative to find my email and send me this message:

Ann,
Congrats on your award! That’s awesome. What are you going to do with your proceedings?
I’m going on a mission to the farmer’s market tomorrow morning and you should meet me there. It’s going to be fun.
And if you’re so inclined, I’m playing a graduation gig in the afternoon at a house party. Also should be fun. Let me know if you’re interested.
[name redacted]

Maybe if I had replied to this initial message the rest of this awkwardness could have been avoided. But I didn’t want to write anything back to this guy, that I didn’t even know, that was sending me emails telling me what I SHOULD do. I really hate people who tell me what to do, so this totally set me off. I did not reply to this message.

He continued about one month later in another email message:

You were at 100 points in dorkiness level for not responding to my email.
We’ll subtract 10 just because you listen to Nicki Minaj:)

This one also annoyed me to no end. And now, this guy who I don’t really know, who already sent me a stupid message telling me what to do, is now JUDGING me?! And assigning points? WTF. I asked a trusted friend for advice, and he said to send back a short simple message indicating that the effort was nice though misdirected. I replied:

Good effort, thanks for trying. Better luck next time!

To which he said:

What?! You don’t make sense!
Have lunch with me this week. I’m going to [place name]. Have you been there? It’s good.

Admittedly I was not clear. In direct language I should have explained that I did not appreciate his judgment or his telling me what to do, or whatever the point of these messages was. But I panicked and sent the above wishy-washy message. Compare this with his imperative command “have lunch with me.” Is that appropriate? Does that justify his next move?
You looked weird today. Here’s a joke for you:Two engineering students meet on campus one day.

The first engineer calls out to the other, “Hey — nice bike! Where did you get it?”“Well,” replies the other, “I was walking to class the other day when this pretty, young coed rides up on this bike. She jumps off, takes off all her clothes, and says ‘You can have ANYTHING you want!’”“Good choice!” says the first, “Her clothes wouldn’t have fit you anyway.”

End of message. Did I ask for this? This is gross, right? I have to admit that this crap really bothers me (obviously). When you get an email like this from a guy you don’t know within your workplace, it does not enhance your ability to exist in that environment nor does it make you feel comfortable interacting within that community. Instead, it made me wonder what kind of signals I was giving off that indicated that these messages were okay. How did I give this guy permission to send me this assholish joke? I hate jokes like this because their humor is based on the assumption that the engineers are male and without social graces – clearly much like the fellow in question. But why would you send a woman engineer this joke? Her clothes WOULD have fit me, ha ha? This is terrible. I did not reply.
A few months later, I won another award and my name was in the department news again. Again he tried to leverage this in his communication:
Ann, congrats on being [award winner]!
I still want to share lunch with you. Especially I want to hear about your experience in Asia as I intend to explore there after graduation. Let me know when you’re free.
This email sounded reasonable, and I felt bad about my previous ambiguity and lack of responding. Maybe I was just being unnecessarily sensitive and mean to this guy I did not know? I replied: Sorry I have been quite busy lately. Do you have any specific questions? I think coffee in a couple weeks would work.  Cheers.
Which elicited this response:
I don’t take coffee, but I definitely eat. You want to join me to try that new Indian food place at the bottom of [street]?
And I don’t have any particular questions about Asia, just want to hear about your experience there. Good luck with your seminar.
I did not reply to this one either – I was beginning to have a distinct feeling that I did not want to see this guy anywhere off-campus, as these messages were making me feel gross. Why does he want to have lunch with me so bad?
I have ignored him until the present, though he just sent me one final email a couple weeks ago:
Hey Ann.
I feel sad to not hear back from you. It would be nice to get to know you and hear your travel stories. I have been busy wrapping up my research and preparing for my defense. I hope all is well.
Gawd. And now this makes me feel a combination of guilty and stupid, but frustrated at being manipulated into this situation. What lessons can I learn from this?
1) Clear communication is best.
I should have shut this guy down from the start. But this is not an area of skill for me, either – I have some stupid restraint against being “mean”, so I was passive and as a result he did not get the hint and kept contacting me. Being mean is needed to shut down this type of awkwardness.
2) Some engineers are more comfortable with email than speaking in person, and they will send you things in email that they would probably not say to your face.
Like that stupid joke this guy sent me. Can I imagine him telling me that in person? Definitely not! If he had, I would have been more direct about shutting him down and criticizing the joke immediately. But for these people its just easier to type and click the “send” button – instead of working out words in real time. This is not nearly the only male engineer who has sent me awkward messages that are inconceivable in reality. One tip for email is actually to never email something that you would not say in real life – I wish these engineers would keep that in mind!
3) Who ends up feeling bad? How can I not feel like this is my fault?
Well, it is my fault. I should have been clearer and more professional in my responses to this guy. But at the same time, I still really want to blame this dude for being a creep. Maybe I have the wrong tune and he’s really just a curious person with poor word choice and terrible taste in engineering jokes. But don’t I have the prerogative to be able to say No? “No, I don’t want to spend time with you, no I don’t want to talk to you about my time in China, no I don’t want to eat lunch with you, no, I don’t want to be manipulated by you telling me that you’re sad.” No, I don’t want to waste my time dealing with your messages that come out of nowhere, that I didn’t ask for, but definitely bother and disrupt me. Sidebar – can you imagine this story with the gender roles reversed?
So. My New Year’s resolutions include a desire to become more straightforward and less wishy-washy. I am working up a reply currently. It will say something like “Good luck to you in the future. I’m sorry I was not more straightforward in my responses to your emails. I did not appreciate your messages as they either judged me, told me what to do, or generally made me uncomfortable. As I said before, I can answer specific questions but the tone of your communications has made me disdain the thought of talking to you further. Please strive to maintain a professional relationship with polite boundaries for personal space and privacy.”
But – I’m afraid that sending any reply will be viewed as an invitation for continued correspondence. I JUST WANT TO SHUT IT DOWN!
Dear internet – does it make sense that this is aggravating? I know this experience is not unique to myself, in which these guys believe it is their right to send annoying messages and try to control or mandate interactions. How can we communicate to these people that their behavior is unacceptable?
PS – this guy has had a girlfriend throughout these exchanges. I have never spoken to her.
The shoes that made me an engineer
Mar 10th, 2010 by Ann Tse

<–Orange Timberland Sneakers I purchased in 2005 in anticipation for my first ever real industry engineering job (summer internship), thinking I needed shoes that sent the message that I was tough and a valid presence in the machine shop while being simultaneously slightly hip, interesting, and youthful.

Now I’m a little embarrassed to admit I spent this much time thinking about my shoes on the first day of the job (full first day of the job outfit: mannish khakis, a mannish collared shirt, and a vaguely feminine necklace) – but it shows me how worried and nervous I was about fitting in the engineering world as a young uninitiated woman. I really believed these shoes would help, so I wore them tirelessly that summer until I realized a few things:

1) THEY ARE UGLY. And my feet looked gross in them. Weirdly lopsided yet unstable, pointy in weird places (what is up with those toes?!) and looked dirty as soon as I put them on.

2) I HATED WEARING THEM. Partially due to #1, but they became a symbol of me trying to dress/be someone I wasn’t due to the belief that I needed to change myself in order to be respected in engineering, that being myself wasn’t a sufficient condition to mandate respect within the organization and company culture. THAT IS SO MESSED UP that before I had even started working there, I had already convinced myself that I needed to be someone I wasn’t in order to fit in. What made me think that? How long did it take me to change?

3) I AM NOT A MAN and do not need to dress like one. During the first two months of that first summer internship, I have these vivid memories of commuting home after work and immediately stripping off all of the boring, drab, personality-less work clothes and changing into skirts, dresses, blouses while adding on earrings, hairbands, everything. As girly as I could get in the post-work hours! Reclaiming the personality that I could not express at work due to fear and confusion about what kind of image would be appropriate and optimally supportive of my developing engineering career. My roommate at the time, a male engineer in a similar first-ever internship experience, found my behavior a little hilarious and would frequently laugh at me as I emerged from my cocoon of mannish clothes every day after work to reflect my innate feminine nature. But I wasn’t alone! My other female engineering friends did it too! I remember another male friend remarking that the difference between male and female engineers was made clear in our post-work habits: women like myself got more dressed up after work to somehow compensate for the suppression of our inner selves during the workday whereas the men untucked their shirts, took off the collars, and generally cared less about their appearance to relax after work.

I donated the orange shoes away after that summer, I didn’t really want to look at them anymore and be reminded of my stupid thinking that these shoes could somehow be a magical talisman symbolizing my membership in the engineering brotherhood. It is hard to find a balance between wearing what you want and dressing appropriately for the workplace as a young female engineer! After that summer, I managed to stop wearing shoes that were downright ugly to the engineering workplace though the challenges of finding and expressing my identity as a female engineer certainly persisted.

I had another reality check a few years later when working in a Chinese toy factory as a manufacturing liaison to an American design company. In the factory, though I theoretically had freedom to wear whatever I wanted, I was reluctant to wear anything that would draw attention to myself. I stood out enough already as the only female engineer and the only Asian-American in the building – plus the few times I wore form-fitting jeans or even a V-neck I was on the receiving end of uncomfortable stares and gross looks from some of the male truck drivers and plastic handlers at the factory. So, I wore mostly company T-shirts, jeans, and sneakers just as my male colleagues did. That was fine and dandy for a few months until a close friend asked me, jokingly, “Well Ann, you’re basically a man anyway. When’s the last time you wore a skirt?”

Whoa. It had been months… many months… since I had put on anything but jeans. Work had been all-consuming and tiring, though I hadn’t realized to what extent it was completely taking over my life. I was shocked – I still thought of myself as feminine and somewhat fashion-conscious, yet it had been months since I had dressed in a way that expressed my femininity. How could I let that happen? Was that me letting being an engineer trump being a woman? Definitely a moment of self-reckoning and realizing – I am NOT okay with that! 

Anyway, the inner battle between the girly-girl and the tough engineer is ongoing and expressed in the clothes I choose to wear each day. There’s a greater balance now in finding a tough yet feminine edge, and while I’m not in love with my current “tough” machine shop shoes (see right) at least I don’t hate them, either.  At least, not yet…? They are not altogether different than the orange shoes – in fact, they look remarkably similar so I guess its primarily my reaction/interpretation of them that has changed.

I’d like to say that I’ve come a long way: Now, instead of racing home after work to change into clothes that make me feel like myself instead of a formed-in-the-mold engineer, I start the day with work-appropriate pieces that are feminine. I bring shoes and shirts with me, as needed, to change on the fly if I need to do some machining or working with dirty/greasy parts. At first I was self-conscious about the Mr. Rodgers wardrobe change at work, but after realizing how much happier it made me to not have to wear ugly shoes all day, it’s worth it!

Furthermore, on days when I know I will not be doing dirty work with heavy machinery and am meeting clients or presenting my ideas instead – it is a pleasure to choose shoes and clothes that are comfortable and reflective of my identity as both a woman and an engineer, simultaneously. And yeah…that’s progress, right? :)

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